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Posted by lostforwards on November 4, 2004, at 11:46:30
I know there's paranoid schizophrenia, and there's delusional thoughts that go along with manic states but what about delusional people who don't have bipolar or schizohphrenia.
There is a diagnosis for delusional personality disorder and apparently antipsychotics don't really help these people.
What's going on in there heads?
Is there some sort of warning beacon in the brain that keeps going off?I don't understand how blocking one receptor with an AP could selectively destroy a delusional thought - unless the person did truly have a chemical imbalance ( too much dopamine ).
( PS: I think I was unwittingly given psychotherapy for paranoia by doctors and other mental health people. Earlier I posted about how they would try to make me paranoid. Like they would talk as if they were talking about me or hint at something they knew I might be thinking about but it was impossible to tell what they were actually talking about)
Posted by lostforwards on November 4, 2004, at 15:38:28
In reply to paranoia, posted by lostforwards on November 4, 2004, at 11:46:30
Posted by linkadge on November 4, 2004, at 17:14:36
In reply to paranoia, posted by lostforwards on November 4, 2004, at 11:46:30
People with high copper levels can tend to be paranoid. Vitamin C, has antipyschotic properties, it lowers dopamine, glutamate, and chelates copper.
Anyhow, it really depends on what delusions you have, how strong they are, and if they disrupt your life.many people believe that space aliens were the originators of human life, fine.
There is some difference between this and somebody who believes that he is the head space alien who must gather people on to his ship to save them from incoming thought erasing radio waves.
People with schitsophrenia don't have one or two delusions. They have one delusion and then another one to explain that one, and then another one to explain that one, and it goes on and on and gets deeper and deeper, sooner or later nothing makes sence.Linkadge
Posted by lostforwards on November 4, 2004, at 20:22:28
In reply to Re: paranoia, posted by linkadge on November 4, 2004, at 17:14:36
> People with schitsophrenia don't have one or two delusions. They have one delusion and then another one to explain that one, and then another one to explain that one, and it goes on and on and gets deeper and deeper, sooner or later nothing makes sence.
I've had that problem, but my diagnosis isn't schizohphrenia. I'll have one KEY delusion, then little things that happen ( even if just a word or a phrase ) become a part of it.
Posted by linkadge on November 5, 2004, at 10:21:07
In reply to Re: paranoia, posted by lostforwards on November 4, 2004, at 20:22:28
I know this isn't psychosocial, but do you mind me asking what your delusion is?
Not if you're uncomfortable sharing of course.
Some people, (myself included) have mood congruent delusions. Ie when i'm very depressed
I might be convinced I've done something to offend god, and be searching the bible day/night for an explaination. This activity subsides as I feel better.
Linkadge
Posted by lostforwards on November 5, 2004, at 15:33:50
In reply to Re: paranoia, posted by linkadge on November 5, 2004, at 10:21:07
> I know this isn't psychosocial, but do you mind me asking what your delusion is?
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> Not if you're uncomfortable sharing of course.
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> Some people, (myself included) have mood congruent delusions. Ie when i'm very depressed
> I might be convinced I've done something to offend god, and be searching the bible day/night for an explaination. This activity subsides as I feel better.
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> Linkadge
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My delusions seem to be all over the place.
I don't have one right now. While your delusion was ego-dystonic, mine are all egosyntonic.The one that I did have was that uni news paper was putting comics and personal ads against me in it, and that they were put there by my ex. Another one was that my dad was abusing me/I had been abused. The biggest and broadest was that people I knew ( my parents, the doctor, etc )were trying to treat me for NPD. Anytime any one would say something to me, if it could be seen as being said for therapeutic value, I'd think they were trying to treat me.
Weird eh?
Posted by MKB on November 5, 2004, at 17:12:14
In reply to Re: paranoia, posted by lostforwards on November 5, 2004, at 15:33:50
I need to know more about this as I am going to a psychiatrist for the first time next week and I want to be as informed as possible so I can improve quickly.
I have one main thing that I'm convinced about that may be true (you never know)and it has gone on for almost 20 years and is about to tear up my family. I feel like no one will really tell me the truth. Anytime I hint at what I think, everyone denies that they're really thinking or saying things.
Other situations have come up at work in EVERY job situation (new job about every year for the last 5 years). I always think people are against me, talking about me, slandering me, etc. I can always point to reasons why I know they are doing this, but when I try to confront it, everybody, even people who I'm sure would be truthful, denies that it's happening at all. Is this schizophrenia? I never have hallucinations except when I'm going off of an antidepressant.
I am not paranoid about Nazis or space aliens or anything that is beyond the realm of possibility.
I guess this really doesn't have to do with medications, but in a way it does, because I need to know what meds treat this.
Posted by lostforwards on November 5, 2004, at 18:32:40
In reply to Re: paranoia, posted by MKB on November 5, 2004, at 17:12:14
> I need to know more about this as I am going to a psychiatrist for the first time next week and I want to be as informed as possible so I can improve quickly.
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> I have one main thing that I'm convinced about that may be true (you never know)and it has gone on for almost 20 years and is about to tear up my family. I feel like no one will really tell me the truth. Anytime I hint at what I think, everyone denies that they're really thinking or saying things.
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> Other situations have come up at work in EVERY job situation (new job about every year for the last 5 years). I always think people are against me, talking about me, slandering me, etc. I can always point to reasons why I know they are doing this, but when I try to confront it, everybody, even people who I'm sure would be truthful, denies that it's happening at all. Is this schizophrenia? I never have hallucinations except when I'm going off of an antidepressant.
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> I am not paranoid about Nazis or space aliens or anything that is beyond the realm of possibility.
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> I guess this really doesn't have to do with medications, but in a way it does, because I need to know what meds treat this.My problem is so much like yours - only I have other symptoms and my medication does help with the paranoia a bit. Otherwise it's a part of my personality.
The thing is it might be either psychological or biochemical. If you can really split those two things apart. Everything you think is in your brain. An AP may help. It might not. I've heard, If it's true delusional PD then the meds won't be much help.
What I'm curious about is how delusional PDs brains work.. if there's any difference at all between them and normal people.
Posted by linkadge on November 5, 2004, at 20:50:06
In reply to Re: paranoia » MKB, posted by lostforwards on November 5, 2004, at 18:32:40
The amygdala in schitsophrenia is very overactive.
Some emotions that oftentimes are very strong in schitsophrenics are "fear" and "responsability".
Oftentimes delusions begin as fears and insecurities. The brain tries very hard to
understand its fears and sometimes will
create connections from nothing.One theory is that there is an overactivity of BDNF (a nerve growth factor), so that new memories and ideas are forming faster than the sensory input can provide. This overactive growth facotor enables strong connections to be made from loose and tangential ideas. Ie the brain is trying to assign more and more meaning to less and less.
Linkadge
Posted by MKB on November 5, 2004, at 22:21:06
In reply to Re: paranoia, posted by linkadge on November 5, 2004, at 20:50:06
Hmmm. That is fascinating. Seems somehow related to what I know about myself, specifically that my mental development was always way ahead of my physical and social development. And as a teacher, I seem to have an uncanny ability for using integration of content in the classroom; I can branch out and make all kinds of connections to the subject matter at hand. Thank you!
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