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Posted by iforgotmypassword on September 23, 2005, at 8:50:40
is there any *good* documentation of SSRIs doing this or any other suicide attempt impulse-inducing behaviour? maybe even stuff about possible lawsuits... anything.
btw, i still have myoclonic jerks and episodic urges to contort my face. (would this be from way back with SSRIs) does anyone know what this stuff means?! i am very very poorly motivated and my thoughts are always disorganized and very undeveloped and extremely hard to process. like my brain is cement. it is very humiliating. does this point to any possible effective treatment. i've always thought dopamine, dopamine. but then mirapex did nothing but harm (sleepiness + lethargy) and stimulants are very unreliable with me... often causing agitation. ugh. i am prolly trying an MAOI next, as im worried of nortriptyline of causing cognitive blunting/sedation.
Posted by spriggy on September 23, 2005, at 16:36:51
In reply to documentation of akithisia, etc. from SSRIs, posted by iforgotmypassword on September 23, 2005, at 8:50:40
I've read quite a few reports of SSRI's inducing akathasia and suicidal tendencies.
I have never been suicidal in my life until I went on Lexapro. I went on it for anxiety and found myself going into a dark/pit type depression with extreme agitation. I wanted to crawl out of my own skin.
Because I couldn't find relief, I honestly pondered/thought about/considered suicide every hour of that torture. It just seemed like my only 'way out' of the nightmare.I mean, if you are uncomfortable in your own body, where do you go????
That's how desperate I felt. The only thing that kept me from following through was looking at my boys' and my husband and imaging what that would do to them.
Otherwise, I'd be dead.
Posted by blueberry on September 23, 2005, at 17:03:36
In reply to documentation of akithisia, etc. from SSRIs, posted by iforgotmypassword on September 23, 2005, at 8:50:40
Since I am experiencing what I believe is akathisia, from either prozac or zyprexa, I was searching the web. I don't remember the places that I visited.
But, if you just google fluoxetine akathisia, or sertraline akathisia, or paxil akathisia or antidepressant akathisia, or just akathisia, you'll stumble onto a lot of the same stuff I saw. Apparently there are a lot of documented cases out there. One psychiatrist site said that the only one that doesn't cause akathisia is lexapro, but I wonder how much he got paid to say that.
Posted by linkadge on September 23, 2005, at 17:20:04
In reply to Re: documentation of akithisia, etc. from SSRIs, posted by spriggy on September 23, 2005, at 16:36:51
Wow, the way you said that sounds EXACTLY like me.
What the he** do you do if you can't stand living in your own body ?Linkadge
Posted by spriggy on September 23, 2005, at 18:05:28
In reply to Re: documentation of akithisia, etc. from SSRIs » spriggy, posted by linkadge on September 23, 2005, at 17:20:04
Linkadge,
I REALLY, REALLY hate to hear (and know) that anyone is experiencing that horrific torturous hell on earth.
It's awful. It makes you wish for death.
I know. But one thing you have GOT to believe is that you WILL feel better.I know the thing that got me the most was wondering if I would EVER feel normal/right again. Just imaging having to feel that way one more hour felt like eternity.
I am praying for you right now. I am so, so, sorry. It really sucks (and I don't even like saying that word but sometimes, it's just the only one to fit!).
** by the way, have you tried a benzo/pain killer/or benadryl? Those were the only things that helped me out of that nightmarish hell.
Posted by med_empowered on September 23, 2005, at 23:50:27
In reply to Re: documentation of akithisia, etc. from SSRIs, posted by blueberry on September 23, 2005, at 17:03:36
I HATE this sensation. I got if from Zyprexa--at 2.5mgs, which according my doc "isn't supposed to happen". Well..ummm..IT DID. I also got it from Abilify at 20mgs+...that was actually worse b/c my doc kept trying to medicate it away with propranolol and added Klonopin; I ended up sedated, confused, and feeling restless and unhappy but also sedated. *Sigh*. Anyway, for the person on zyprexa and an AD...odds are, the zyprexa is most liable for the akathisia, although the combo would just be making things work. The only thing that truly works for akathisia is withdrawing the offending drug; add-ons or dose reduction help, but if you're not actively psychotic...I wouldn't go through that crap. Akathisia may be the reason why Prozac (and some antipsychotics) have been linked to violence. In the case of antidepressants, you have deeply depressed people suddenly stimulated (still depressed) and suffering from akathisia; why *wouldn't* they turn violent towards themselves and/or others? And...as for antipsychotics...in addition to the fact that neuroleptics dampen all your feel-good chemicals anyway, the intense akathisia resulting from use of these drugs may be a contributing factor to violence in psychiatric prisons, psychiatric hospitals, and the outside world; I read a case study in which an otherwise non-violent, schizophrenic man was injected with long-acting (depot) haloperidol, even though he told the docs in charge haloperidol had caused him problems in the past. The man was so upset, so agitated, he violenty stabbed a couple people to death in a bloody killing spree; when he was treated for the akathisia, and later when the haloperidol left his system, he was once again non-aggressive, non-hostile, and non-violent. I also read one where a schizophrenic woman who had just been given neuroleptics was found banging her head against the wall, saying over and over "I just want to get rid of this body". Something to think about.
Posted by Phillipa on September 24, 2005, at 12:45:23
In reply to **akathisia**, posted by med_empowered on September 23, 2005, at 23:50:27
Tried nortriptaline one night and felt glued to the bed the next morning. So how is this supposed to help with depression if you can't move? Fondly, phillipa
Posted by Cairo on September 24, 2005, at 20:18:07
In reply to documentation of akithisia, etc. from SSRIs, posted by iforgotmypassword on September 23, 2005, at 8:50:40
Cymbalta in doses above 5mg gave me akathisia. Starting at 60mg, an acorn dropped on the roof of my car and I literally jumped up and hit my head on the roof. I was tapping and flapping and running around like a squirrel on speed.
Prozac was the worst because it was so long acting. Two months of h#$*. No one thought to suggest Benadryl or anything. I just toughed it out.
All SSRIs give me that wired/unglued feeling and muscle spasm.
Topamax also caused akathisia, though I believe this was secondary to metabolic acidosis. THAT oe was the #1 worst drug of all time for me.
No suicidal impulses, though, thank goodness.
Cairo
> is there any *good* documentation of SSRIs doing this or any other suicide attempt impulse-inducing behaviour? maybe even stuff about possible lawsuits... anything.
>
> btw, i still have myoclonic jerks and episodic urges to contort my face. (would this be from way back with SSRIs) does anyone know what this stuff means?! i am very very poorly motivated and my thoughts are always disorganized and very undeveloped and extremely hard to process. like my brain is cement. it is very humiliating. does this point to any possible effective treatment. i've always thought dopamine, dopamine. but then mirapex did nothing but harm (sleepiness + lethargy) and stimulants are very unreliable with me... often causing agitation. ugh. i am prolly trying an MAOI next, as im worried of nortriptyline of causing cognitive blunting/sedation.
Posted by ed_uk on September 25, 2005, at 9:40:59
In reply to **akathisia**, posted by med_empowered on September 23, 2005, at 23:50:27
When I had akathisia from Thorazine, I felt like I could strangle someone.
~Ed
Posted by Phillipa on September 25, 2005, at 18:04:31
In reply to Re: **akathisia** » med_empowered, posted by ed_uk on September 25, 2005, at 9:40:59
Ed Jeroen posted a new Thread a few days ago to both you and me. Please answer him as I know you're the only one he trusts. Thanks Love PJ O
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