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Posted by SLS on December 24, 2008, at 8:59:27
I recently read an article that associated gum disease with depression, hypercortisolemia, and stress. Of course, gum disease is also associated with heart disease.
I have significant gingivitis that borders upon periodontal disease.
Anyone else?
- Scott
Posted by mav27 on December 24, 2008, at 9:56:24
In reply to Depression and Gum Disease, posted by SLS on December 24, 2008, at 8:59:27
I actualy just read a similar thing a few hours ago. I also have bad gingavitis/gum problems and heart problems so it should be something i look into i guess. I have depression as well of course.
Posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2008, at 11:02:29
In reply to Depression and Gum Disease, posted by SLS on December 24, 2008, at 8:59:27
That I never heard of. Will have to google that one. Phillipa
Posted by ricker on December 24, 2008, at 14:12:50
In reply to Depression and Gum Disease, posted by SLS on December 24, 2008, at 8:59:27
Can't say that I have. My semi-annual dental appointments usually yield a clean bill of health... with 20+ years of depression.
Rick
Posted by bulldog2 on December 24, 2008, at 14:47:19
In reply to Depression and Gum Disease, posted by SLS on December 24, 2008, at 8:59:27
> I recently read an article that associated gum disease with depression, hypercortisolemia, and stress. Of course, gum disease is also associated with heart disease.
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> I have significant gingivitis that borders upon periodontal disease.
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> Anyone else?
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> - Scottpossibly tcas can cause this condition because they dry up the mouth which is bad for the gums.
Posted by Phillipa on December 24, 2008, at 14:50:31
In reply to Depression and Gum Disease, posted by SLS on December 24, 2008, at 8:59:27
Found this. Phillipa
Posted by Darwin on December 24, 2008, at 15:26:58
In reply to Depression and Gum Disease, posted by SLS on December 24, 2008, at 8:59:27
Posted by bleauberry on December 24, 2008, at 17:40:23
In reply to Depression and Gum Disease, posted by SLS on December 24, 2008, at 8:59:27
Any kind of chronic hidden infection, such as in the gums, can cause depression. That's because all those bacteria excrete their waste toxins into the bloodstream which go to the brain, and they excrete more toxins in their efforts to fend off the immune system. Systemic toxicity plus inflammation can certainly cause one to feel very depressed. These toxins, I have read, somehow corrupt normal serotonin and dopamine.
Posted by desolationrower on December 25, 2008, at 1:18:54
In reply to Re: Depression and Gum Disease, posted by bleauberry on December 24, 2008, at 17:40:23
Perfect teeth. Well, they do need bleaching constantly and usually can't keep up.
-d/r
Posted by linkadge on December 26, 2008, at 20:49:08
In reply to Re: Depression and Gum Disease, posted by desolationrower on December 25, 2008, at 1:18:54
My teeth are fine. I usually take studies like that with a grain of salt. They are just correlational studies, there is likely a whole host of intermediate factors.
Linkadge
Posted by SLS on December 27, 2008, at 7:37:22
In reply to Re: Depression and Gum Disease, posted by linkadge on December 26, 2008, at 20:49:08
> My teeth are fine. I usually take studies like that with a grain of salt. They are just correlational studies, there is likely a whole host of intermediate factors.
I agree. It has become fashionable to look for statistical associations rather than elucidate possible mechanisms explaining cause and effect.
- Scott
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 28, 2008, at 17:44:48
In reply to Depression and Gum Disease, posted by SLS on December 24, 2008, at 8:59:27
I'm not surprised there's a correlation. I have poor stress resiliency (complex PTSD). When I'm over-stressed, I struggle with depression. And, my gum health goes south as well. It's one of my surrogate markers for my overall health status. Helps me self-monitor.
You may benefit from ubiquinone supps, also known as Co-Q10. Dentists are beginning to recommend this supp, as it can dramatically reverse gingivitis. Also, vitamin C is important.
Regards,
Lar
Posted by 49er on December 31, 2008, at 5:30:42
In reply to Depression and Gum Disease, posted by SLS on December 24, 2008, at 8:59:27
> I recently read an article that associated gum disease with depression, hypercortisolemia, and stress. Of course, gum disease is also associated with heart disease.
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> I have significant gingivitis that borders upon periodontal disease.
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> Anyone else?
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> - ScottHi Scott,
Frankly, I am tired of depression being blamed for every disease known to mankind. Sorry, this is a hot button issue of mine because it makes it easy for medical professionals to just blame the "mental illness" instead of actually figuring out what is wrong with the patient and how to help him/her.
To answer your question now that my rant is over:), psychotropic meds dry out the mouth. As a result, there is an extreme decrease in saliva and as a result, it is not washing out the bacteria that results from eating foods.
Before I started on psych meds, I had perfect teeth. Now, I have numerous dental problems although to be honest, I can't blame them all on the meds. But I do feel that if I hadn't been on psych meds, my dental problems wouldn't be as severe.
49er
Posted by SLS on December 31, 2008, at 7:49:13
In reply to Re: Depression and Gum Disease, posted by 49er on December 31, 2008, at 5:30:42
> Frankly, I am tired of depression being blamed for every disease known to mankind.
It isn't, but it does seem to be associated with quite a few. The chronic elevation in cortisol secretion alone can be blamed for a plethora of ailments. The brain controls or influences the function of every system in the body.
Depression -> Stress -> Physiological Changes
I have never had chronic xerostomia, whether idiopathic or drug-induced. I just know that they bleed a hell of a lot more when I am feeling worse and then subsides when I am feeling better - changes that can occur over the course of days and sometimes only hours. Perhaps the physiology here has more to do with serotonin function and platelet activity. I have been observing a gamut of changes in my body for over 23 years after learning that I had a brain disorder. I was in a unique position to observe my bodily functions as they occurred in two disparate mood states. I cycled between depression and normothymia every 11 days (8days of severe depression followed by 3 days of normothymia).
I can have no comment on how your doctors treated you, of course, but I have seen some psychiatrists leave out some pretty important diagnostic testing to rule out other explanations for the observed symptomology. Sometimes they don't even screen patients that well, and rely on a patient's recall of their history. I don't see too many doctors giving mood questionaires or other psychometric exams anymore.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on December 31, 2008, at 19:46:38
In reply to Re: Depression and Gum Disease » 49er, posted by SLS on December 31, 2008, at 7:49:13
Scott you still cycle didn't know that. Love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on December 31, 2008, at 20:08:57
In reply to Re: Depression and Gum Disease » 49er, posted by SLS on December 31, 2008, at 7:49:13
Ultra-rapid cyclicity such as the type I experienced is sometimes a transient change in the course of bipolar disorder. I cycled between the ages of 20 and 22.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 31, 2008, at 20:10:53
In reply to Re: Depression and Gum Disease » SLS, posted by Phillipa on December 31, 2008, at 19:46:38
> Scott you still cycle didn't know that. Love Phillipa
Why would you think that I still cycled?
I am doing very well.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on January 1, 2009, at 18:54:50
In reply to Re: Depression and Gum Disease » Phillipa, posted by SLS on December 31, 2008, at 20:10:53
Scott that's what I thought that you were doing well. Sorry must have misread. BTW check out thread of Uncouth and withdrawal from parnate. Thanks Phillipa
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