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Posted by Deneb on February 26, 2007, at 11:26:05
I remember reading or watching something about a vitamin, or mineral that, when taken daily causes like a 3-5 pound loss per year without changing eating habits. It's not a diet pill or a diet supplement. It's a basic supplement. I think there may have been double blind studies on it. It's not a super popular weight loss pill because of the very slow weight loss it causes.
Does anyone know what that supplement is?
Deneb*
Posted by dreamboat_annie on February 26, 2007, at 14:57:54
In reply to Anyone know what supplement causes weight loss, posted by Deneb on February 26, 2007, at 11:26:05
It's probably chromium. It helps stabilize blood sugar. I seem to recall reading something awhile ago that taking between 600mg and 800mg daily can help with weight loss or maintaining weight. I take it because I am hypoglycemic.
> I remember reading or watching something about a vitamin, or mineral that, when taken daily causes like a 3-5 pound loss per year without changing eating habits. It's not a diet pill or a diet supplement. It's a basic supplement. I think there may have been double blind studies on it. It's not a super popular weight loss pill because of the very slow weight loss it causes.
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> Does anyone know what that supplement is?
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> Deneb*
Posted by Deneb on February 28, 2007, at 15:34:18
In reply to Re: Anyone know what supplement causes weight loss » Deneb, posted by dreamboat_annie on February 26, 2007, at 14:57:54
Thanks for the info. I'll check it out.
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 1, 2007, at 10:13:16
In reply to Anyone know what supplement causes weight loss, posted by Deneb on February 26, 2007, at 11:26:05
> I remember reading or watching something about a vitamin, or mineral that, when taken daily causes like a 3-5 pound loss per year without changing eating habits. It's not a diet pill or a diet supplement. It's a basic supplement. I think there may have been double blind studies on it. It's not a super popular weight loss pill because of the very slow weight loss it causes.
>
> Does anyone know what that supplement is?
>
> Deneb*Maybe you're thinking of CLA (conjugated linoleic acid)? It's a minor fat in dairy products (produced by bacteria during digestion in ruminants). The synthetic product actually has slightly higher efficacy than the natural one.
I believe it produces 1-3% increase in metabolic rate? Something like that. Better fat metabolism, but modestly so.
The chromium supps have a threshold effect. Some people need more than other people do, and once they get a supplement regime going, their metabolisms normalize. I don't think there's any supra-physiological activity if you don't need extra.
Lar
P.S. I don't think the supplement you're looking for is cheesecake. ;-)
Posted by Deneb on March 1, 2007, at 18:04:49
In reply to Re: Anyone know what supplement causes weight loss » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on March 1, 2007, at 10:13:16
> Maybe you're thinking of CLA (conjugated linoleic acid)? It's a minor fat in dairy products (produced by bacteria during digestion in ruminants). The synthetic product actually has slightly higher efficacy than the natural one.
>
> I believe it produces 1-3% increase in metabolic rate? Something like that. Better fat metabolism, but modestly so.
>
> The chromium supps have a threshold effect. Some people need more than other people do, and once they get a supplement regime going, their metabolisms normalize. I don't think there's any supra-physiological activity if you don't need extra.
>
> Lar
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> P.S. I don't think the supplement you're looking for is cheesecake. ;-)Thanks Lar! Yes, I think it was CLA. Mmmmm cheesecake. I wish. LOL
Is this why people on weight watchers have to drink skim milk?
Right now I'm trying out a low carbohydrate (less than 50g per day), normal fat (trying for less than 50g a day) and sort of high lean protein diet (about 70 g per day).
Hmmm...maybe I should incorporate skim milk into my diet.
Deneb*
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 1, 2007, at 18:23:04
In reply to Re: Anyone know what supplement causes weight loss, posted by Deneb on March 1, 2007, at 18:04:49
> Thanks Lar! Yes, I think it was CLA.
> Hmmm...maybe I should incorporate skim milk into my diet.
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> Deneb*CLA is found in butter fat, i.e. cream. So, skim milk contains zero.
Lar
Posted by Deneb on March 1, 2007, at 18:50:02
In reply to Re: Anyone know what supplement causes weight loss » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on March 1, 2007, at 18:23:04
> > Thanks Lar! Yes, I think it was CLA.
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> > Hmmm...maybe I should incorporate skim milk into my diet.
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> > Deneb*
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> CLA is found in butter fat, i.e. cream. So, skim milk contains zero.
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> Lar
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>Aw man, that sucks. LOL Of course *skim* milk has no CLA, it has no fat! What was I thinking?
Oh well. I'm not willing to pay exuberant amounts of money for supplements unless said supplements are *really* good.
Deneb*
Posted by Llurpsie_Noodle on March 2, 2007, at 11:13:13
In reply to Re: Anyone know what supplement causes weight loss » Deneb, posted by Larry Hoover on March 1, 2007, at 10:13:16
> > I remember reading or watching something about a vitamin, or mineral that, when taken daily causes like a 3-5 pound loss per year without changing eating habits. It's not a diet pill or a diet supplement. It's a basic supplement. I think there may have been double blind studies on it. It's not a super popular weight loss pill because of the very slow weight loss it causes.
> >
> > Does anyone know what that supplement is?
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> > Deneb*
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> Maybe you're thinking of CLA (conjugated linoleic acid)? It's a minor fat in dairy products (produced by bacteria during digestion in ruminants). The synthetic product actually has slightly higher efficacy than the natural one.
>
> I believe it produces 1-3% increase in metabolic rate? Something like that. Better fat metabolism, but modestly so.
>
> The chromium supps have a threshold effect. Some people need more than other people do, and once they get a supplement regime going, their metabolisms normalize. I don't think there's any supra-physiological activity if you don't need extra.
>
> Lar
>
> P.S. I don't think the supplement you're looking for is cheesecake. ;-)
>You can buy it in the USA under the name of "Tonalin". (CLA, that is, not cheesecake: that's under the brand name "Sara Lee"
Is CLA an essential fatty acid? That is, will supplementing it provide health benefits to other folks, similar to how supplementing Omega-3 acids is associated with reduced inflammation and heart health?
just wondering...
Deneb, I think one supplement that causes weight loss is vegetables. Eat as many as you can. There are lots of benefits that come with eating vegetables, and they taste good too. Just make sure that you add a tiny bit of olive oil, so that your body can absorb all the nutrients. Some olive oil in your salad dressing, or a bit of oil when you stir-fry. a drizzle or drop when you steam them.
(((((((veggies)))))))
-Ll
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 3, 2007, at 8:31:14
In reply to Re: Anyone know what supplement causes weight loss, posted by Llurpsie_Noodle on March 2, 2007, at 11:13:13
> You can buy it in the USA under the name of "Tonalin". (CLA, that is, not cheesecake: that's under the brand name "Sara Lee"
Tonalin is a synthetic form of the group of structurally related fatty acids which get lumped together as "CLA". It's actually slightly more effective than the natural conjugated fatty acids in dairy.
> Is CLA an essential fatty acid? That is, will supplementing it provide health benefits to other folks, similar to how supplementing Omega-3 acids is associated with reduced inflammation and heart health?
No. It's a bacterial by-product. It's actually produced by accident by low-efficiency bacterial enzymes. The human body can potentially synthesize one isomer from a precursor, but you'd have to have a high dairy fat intake in the first place, and dairy already has the finished products in it.
The long-chain PUFAs (poly-unsaturates) characteristically have double bonds three carbons apart. The bacterial enzyme latches onto one of those double bonds, and forms a 'reaction complex', where the bond has become partially between the enzyme and the fatty acid. If the fatty acid leaves the enzyme before the reaction is complete, the partial bond 'snaps back' onto the fatty acid, and it can sometimes go back such that what was once a 3-3 spacing is now a 2-4 spacing. Two double bonds separated by two carbons have special properties, and such groupings are called conjugation.
CLA is derived from an essential fatty acid, but the product is not essential in any way (as far as we yet know). Somehow, the mere presence of one of its isomers changes fatty acid metabolism, probably by interfering with fat storage pumps. You don't store fat efficiently, in the presence of this distorted fatty acid. Thus, if you cause your fat storage vescicles to release fat while the uptake pumps are blocked, it's a one-way street. While on a high-calorie diet, you might prevent fat storage, but I'd hate to think what your blood triglycerides might be like. All that fat looking for a place to go, and no parking spaces.
Lar
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