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Posted by Quintal on March 16, 2007, at 14:43:45
In reply to Re: Scientology, Homosexuality, and its tentacles » Quintal, posted by Ken Blades on March 16, 2007, at 0:46:16
>If you're that comfortable with this 'stuff',
then there's not much reason to bring it up
for discussion, is there?Yes, I find it interesting and I'd like to explore it further with an intelligent audience.
>Unless you just
want to litter the board pointlessly.I can't help but think you would welcome the discussion if I took the opposite point of view. It's far from pointless.
>If you want to indulge in self-analysis,
you don't have to tell the whole world.I don't think I am telling the whole world. I'm sharing this and getting feedback from a specific group.
>The depression and anxiety/social anxiety is NOT
due to one's homosexuality...it is due to SOCIETAL/parental response TO it...at least
this seems theoretically possibleI said; "A lot of the depression and anxiety (particularly social anxiety) homosexual men suffer is directly due to their sexuality and the problems it causes adjusting to society."............. i.e. it's the problems being attracted to your own sex causes in trying to adjust to society's (and your own) expectations, especially during adolescence, that leads to anxiety and depression for most. I've never felt any pressure to change my sexuality from parents, or the people around me - they've all been very supportive.
The main things that dissatisfy me about my homosexuality are:
* Mis-matching genitals, this makes sex uncomfortable and awkward, often necessitating artificial aids and interventions to keep things running smoothly. I find this expensive and unpleasant, and also a little unnatural.
* Playing an ancillary role to mainstream society, especially in the role of parenting/family life.
* Finding heterosexual men more attractive than homosexual men. Finding many homosexual men a little repellent. This causes problems when seeking a potential mate.
>And 'beneath all the veneer and bluster of Gay Pride self-loathing still runs deep' might be
reflective of your own phase on the way to
[hopefully] self-acceptance, but that self-loathing still runs deep in the greater gay community is quite a stretch on your part.I don't think it is. I notice an undercurrent of misery and dissatisfaction in gay literature, art, film etc and I think that reflects the lives of most gay men. Beneath all the colour, flamboyance and placard waving of the Gay Rights movement this is still the reality for most gay men that I meet, see and read about. I used to go to a gay social/support group a few years ago and I found it depressing. Being in a supposedly supportive environment wasn't uplifting, if anything it highlighted everything that was disordered and dysfunctional about us.
>You're in denial if you think there IS a solution
to the 'problem'!I'll answer this separately in another post as therein lies the crux of 'the problem'.
>This board is SUPPOSED to be about medications, not rambling on about your
sexuality, self-loathing and some loony sci-fi
writer's opinions about homosexuality, right?I've already suggested the thread be moved to the Psychology board. I'll try redirecting it with this post.
Q
Posted by Iwillsurvive on March 18, 2007, at 22:58:26
In reply to Re: Scientology, Homosexuality, and its tentacles » Ken Blades, posted by Quintal on March 16, 2007, at 14:43:45
Quintal, was this your part of the post, sorry but I DID giggle a wee bit cuz...
*The main things that dissatisfy me about my homosexuality are:
* Mis-matching genitals, this makes sex uncomfortable and awkward, often necessitating artificial aids and interventions to keep things running smoothly. I find this expensive and unpleasant, and also a little unnatural.
LOL! Heck, even w/matching genitals things don't always run smoothly!!! ;-) Just trust me on this!
* Playing an ancillary role to mainstream society, especially in the role of parenting/family life.
:( Yeah, that would be very hard, I'm sorry.
* Finding heterosexual men more attractive than homosexual men. Finding many homosexual men a little repellent. This causes problems when seeking a potential mate.
But this is the one that really made me smile! Cuz back in the day when I was on the prowl with my friends (me and them being female hetero) and we'd spot a real good looking guy and he would be nice! and then find out he was gay! Arrrggghhhh! So the probs go both ways ;-)
I think seeking a potential mate is HARD, hard , hard, no matter WHAT your leanings.
But I have had only one close friend who was lesbian, and it WAS very hard for her growing up. I can only hope things are better than they were.
Best wishes sent your way.
Posted by JeffSmith on March 19, 2007, at 13:07:40
In reply to Re: Scientology, Homosexuality, and its tentacles » Ken Blades, posted by Quintal on March 16, 2007, at 14:43:45
> >If you're that comfortable with this 'stuff',
> then there's not much reason to bring it up
> for discussion, is there?
>
> Yes, I find it interesting and I'd like to explore it further with an intelligent audience.
>
> >Unless you just
> want to litter the board pointlessly.
>
> I can't help but think you would welcome the discussion if I took the opposite point of view. It's far from pointless.
>
> >If you want to indulge in self-analysis,
> you don't have to tell the whole world.
>
> I don't think I am telling the whole world. I'm sharing this and getting feedback from a specific group.
>
> >The depression and anxiety/social anxiety is NOT
> due to one's homosexuality...it is due to SOCIETAL/parental response TO it...at least
> this seems theoretically possible
>
> I said; "A lot of the depression and anxiety (particularly social anxiety) homosexual men suffer is directly due to their sexuality and the problems it causes adjusting to society."............. i.e. it's the problems being attracted to your own sex causes in trying to adjust to society's (and your own) expectations, especially during adolescence, that leads to anxiety and depression for most. I've never felt any pressure to change my sexuality from parents, or the people around me - they've all been very supportive.
>
> The main things that dissatisfy me about my homosexuality are:
>
> * Mis-matching genitals, this makes sex uncomfortable and awkward, often necessitating artificial aids and interventions to keep things running smoothly. I find this expensive and unpleasant, and also a little unnatural.
>
> * Playing an ancillary role to mainstream society, especially in the role of parenting/family life.
>
> * Finding heterosexual men more attractive than homosexual men. Finding many homosexual men a little repellent. This causes problems when seeking a potential mate.
>
> >And 'beneath all the veneer and bluster of Gay Pride self-loathing still runs deep' might be
> reflective of your own phase on the way to
> [hopefully] self-acceptance, but that self-loathing still runs deep in the greater gay community is quite a stretch on your part.
>
> I don't think it is. I notice an undercurrent of misery and dissatisfaction in gay literature, art, film etc and I think that reflects the lives of most gay men. Beneath all the colour, flamboyance and placard waving of the Gay Rights movement this is still the reality for most gay men that I meet, see and read about. I used to go to a gay social/support group a few years ago and I found it depressing. Being in a supposedly supportive environment wasn't uplifting, if anything it highlighted everything that was disordered and dysfunctional about us.
>
> >You're in denial if you think there IS a solution
> to the 'problem'!
>
> I'll answer this separately in another post as therein lies the crux of 'the problem'.
>
> >This board is SUPPOSED to be about medications, not rambling on about your
> sexuality, self-loathing and some loony sci-fi
> writer's opinions about homosexuality, right?
>
> I've already suggested the thread be moved to the Psychology board. I'll try redirecting it with this post.
>
> QJust An FYI To All Concerned:
Please view Xenutv.com and Xenu.net for an enormous quantity of factual, documented and proven information regarding Scientology and L Ron Hubbard.
Hours and hours of various reading material and also (much easier if youre lazy like me) videos from ex Scientologists (and other videos) who explain in great detail (backed up by legal documents and whatnot)what really goes on and what Scientology is really all about.
Its absolutely fascinating (IMO).
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